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Volume II, More Reader Responses...
January '07

From Hari Sono: Hello, I know there is a lot of confusion over Hunza Bread. You can never get a straight answer on the web (go figure) as to what Hunza is made of. Some say it's made with
glacier milk and buckwheat, some say it's millet and carrots. I found a recipe that made sense to me. This recipe (free online) is made with buckwheat and molasses, honey and some baking powder, cane sugar, and some other all-natural organic stuff. You bake it on a flat sheet about an inch thick or so, and cut it into little squares. I don't know about the magic weight-loss properties but it is dense and filling, and all that great insoluble fiber does expand in your stomach making you feel well-fed 
for a while. It's full of potassium and magnesium, as well as all the fiber (buckwheat is awesome stuff) so I guess it's healthier than those crappy sugary health bars they sell. I love the stuff, it's my breakfast
and a great snack too. I would suggest you try it. H.

Editor's Note: Even though we vowed not to publish any more info on Hunza, we couldn't resist this one. Fill you tummy with insoluble fiber for breakfast! How's that for a great start on your day?

And in response to that email, we received the following from

DarkHarvest: hello: My wife made a batch of this a few weeks ago. She had a recipe that used molasses, honey and buckwheat flower among a few other things. Well, to be honest my wife hated it, and as for myself, I tried to like it but was very rough going down it was a lot easier to eat with milk. Smells like ginger bread, has texture of a brownie, and tastes like ginger bread with pungent molasses. So there ya have it.

Editor's note: Could this be true?

Winter 2007: We will promise to print more Reader Responses next year, especially the interesting ones. 

Re Hunza: We continue to get feedback from the Hunza Bread article, most of it from people who have a different recipe. We've already covered that ground: there are as many Hunza bread recipes as there are cooks. Also, we know that Hunza is not Hungarian, but lots of other people don't. Please don't tell us about that any longer. Hunza bread can have raisins, or not, it can have sugar, or not, it can be a flat bread or a raised loaf. It comes in lots of configurations. It will only work as a diet bread if you eat fewer calories. You need to burn more calories than you consume in order to lose weight. It doesn't really matter what kind of calories they are. The people who seem to be getting most upset are the engineering types who don't understand THE ART of cooking. Bottom line: nobody has written us to tell us that they lost weight eating Hunza Bread.

Re Lions: We're really getting tired of posting lion statue photos.

Re moss: We have published "the last word" on moss. We don't need any more moss information.

Re hotels: our hotel directory is incomplete but we are no longer adding hotel information. It's easier to search directly for the hotel you'd like to stay in.

Summer 2006 Issue:

FYI regarding the Moon Bear Problem. There's a link with the latest update from The Animals Asia Foundation. They are making steady progress in rehabilitating some of the bears. We're all hoping that the Chinese people will come to realize that this form of cruelty towards animals is unconscionable. Perhaps one day no bears will have to suffer these horrors. Click here to go to the Foundation's website.


Spring 2006 issue:

From Barb Krohn, Subject: Love your website!

It is amazing that I found your web site!  I entered "Lion Statues" in Google and came up with your site. I didn't know other people like to photograph lions. I have started doing it too. I have pictures of me, my husband, and daughter on the NYC Public Library's Patience and Fortitude, and San Francisco's Museum. I am especially proud of the pictures of us on the Lion's at City Park in New Orleans (where I'm from). Wonder if anybody out there has heard of them? Guess I need to get over to Paris where I've learned from your site of the many lion statues. 
More on Hunza: Hi! Shocked to find your web site about this bread. My father made the bread first. He has lost several pounds, but it can't be credited to the bread as he isn't eating it exclusively. It was so delicious (Buckwheat flour & molasses recipe) that I made my first batch yesterday. I intend on using it as a meal replacement for lunch. I gave my co-worker a piece; she wants the recipe, and I'll know by Friday if my efforts have paid off.
I am 10 pounds heavier than I would like to be, eat organic, and lots of fruit, vegs, and lean protein. I have been trying a year to lose this 10lbs. The bread is very filling, and it does stay with you. And the fiber works wonders!  (Like I said, I made the bread yesterday) I would be happy to advise you if it works. Sincerely, Candy Alves, Little Compton, RI

Winter, 05-6 Issue: 

We're still getting comments on Hunza Bread, and we even had a threatening email, which I deleted, that said something like...we were lying about the bread. I think he was angry that we had debunked those idiots who want people to actually buy their one true recipe. The thing about recipes is that there are as many versions of every recipe as there are cooks. But never mind, here are some interesting comments that we received in the last few months.

The Hunza saga continues: 

From Terezia Koronkay: comment on Hunza Bread

Hello, I love to bake breads, and I'm also a hungarian.
So I need to correct the supposed Hungarian relation to Hunza. Hunza is not a Hungarian word, never was, the Hungarian word for raisin, is -mazsola-, and for golden raisin -arany mazsola-. Also, ginger is a very uncommon spice to be used in Hungarian recipes, especially in breads. Hungarians would use dark raisin in breads, and raw sugar or honey instead of brown sugar. The Hungarian style of Hunza bread doesn't seem to have any oil or butter in it. Hungarians would use butter only, and I think any bread would need some source of oil.

Editor's note: Did I say that Hunza bread was Hungarian? I really have no idea one way or the other. 

Question on Hunza Bread

I just stumbled onto you site and the two recipes. I was, am, actually trying to find the original Hunza bread recipe the Himalayan people make. I have spent hours on the internet and the recipes I am finding don't seem right to me. I don't think the Himalayan would use canola oil! Or do they? They surely don't use sugar! I heard, they only use honey. I am really frustrated, but your first recipe seems like the closest to what might be the real thing. Can you tell me where you got it or can you direct me to any sites that have numerous recipes or versions and I can decide which one might be the best suited for me? I want to eat healthy and I do eat healthy, but I want to change from the bread I eat, to making my own and I think Hunza bread, from what I have heard, is the best you can eat. Any help you can give me would be so appreciated! Sincerely, Diana Caldwell

Editor's reply: 

Hi Diana: I’m really no authority on Hunza Bread. I found those two recipes on the internet (free!) after receiving emails about buying the recipe. I chose them from hundreds of recipes floating around the internet. I have no idea which of them would be “the original”. That’s the thing with recipes, nothing is set in stone. They change at will, from baker to baker. If you found two Himalayans with the recipe, they would probably quibble between themselves as to which one was more authentic.

 BUT as you say, it’s questionable that canola oil was used in the original. What I have heard from several people is that the most authentic bread was a flat dry bread with very little or any sweetness to it.

The most important thing to remember about this whole Hunza deal is that it started out as a diet scam, and nobody that I’ve been in touch with has ever lost any weight on the Hunza diet.

PS: Since you have raised such an interesting question, would it be okay to place your email in our Reader Response column in the upcoming issue?

Diannek, editor

Dear Dianne,
I took the Hunza bread recipes I found and experimented yesterday. I took out the canola oil and replaced with apricot oil. Instead of sugar, I used orgainic, sugarless applesauce, which along, with the honey, molasses and spices, seemed a good way to go. I also added wheat germ, used millet flour, wheat flour and unbleached white flour to top it off and roll it out in. I even added shredded carrots. I think my next batch will be far better. It rose nicely, it is dense, but not in a bad way. We ate it for dinner, we ate it for breakfast today. 

My theory was, is, that the Hunza's never used anything processed, (nor have canola oil or brown sugar) so I am trying to do this as naturally as I can. If I lose weight too, that's fine, but my goal is, just to have a really healthy bread, low in fat, high in nutrition and low in cholesterol. I plan to make my second batch in a few days and I'm pretty excited with my experiment!

Sincerely, Diana Caldwell~*, Bangor, Maine.

And the Lion Statue round-up also continues: 

Hello from Jacques Dujardin More lions for your lions pages. An other Bartoldi's lion is in the city of Belfort (France) photos at http://www.mairie-belfort.com/lion/index.html. I am not sure which is the original one : the bronze one in Paris or the stone one in Belfort. For more info contact the webmaster at webmestre@mairie-belfort.fr

One of my first memories is on august 20 th. 1945 (liberation day in Paris) the Lion de Belfort was protected by a pyramid of sand bags and the crowd was standing on it to welcome the troops of the French 2nd Armoured division commanded by General Leclerc de Hautecloc.

Fall, 2005: 

Thanks go out to everybody who responded with humorous comments. Some of you agreed that we don't have enough to laugh about any longer, others sent funny stuff, which you'll see in the humor pages. In times like these, we need to find ways to cope, and laughter is sometimes the best medicine.

Re: the Summer Issue of Clever Magazine: 

Dianne, I received the preview copy of your new (Summer 2005) issue and was pleased to find the inclusion of the Confederate Memorial lion here in Atlanta's Oakland Cemetery. The photo is very good and I appreciate your adding my explanation and views on the statue. I also appreciate the editor's comment to the effect that this lion has earned a special place in the heart of the publisher inasmuch as that is my sentiment as well. 

As for humor, it is like beauty in that the effect of an attempt at being funny and thus the author's success is entirely in the eyes of the beholder. As much or even more than the substance of the story, humor is thus a function of the mentality of the audience as well as of the manner (timing etc) in which the joke is told. I have found that, for the most part, grade school or scatological humor does not appeal to educated adults and my recommendation would be to avoid such at all costs. Unfortunately, the timing, pronunciations, inflections and gesticulations that create truly memorable humor become elements of the scenario only when a story is told in person. These features that will make or break the joke do not come through with the printed version thus much is left up to the imagination and creativity of the reader and this is something to which the author must give considerable thought in selecting material to be published. 

There is much good humor still available and I will make an effort to send you some examples that I think will translate in print. One of history's great story tellers was Abraham Lincoln who parleyed this talent into a successful career as a trial lawyer and as a most effective politician. In the Lincoln Douglas debates, in denigrating what the thought was a clearly specious argument made by Douglas in support of slavery, Lincoln said that the logic of his opponent's position was "As thin as a soup made by boiling the shadow of a pigeon that had died from starvation". I think this to be quite humorous and apparently so have many others as the line has endured for over 150 years. 

Best Regards, Ronald W. Rogers, Atlanta, GA.

Summer '05 mailbag items of possible interest:

Hi Dianne, your website looks great. I thought you might like to hear that my local newspaper just hired me to write a weekly humor column. It’s my first paying gig! Thank you for keeping my column, “Food For Thought” on your website. Perhaps I can contribute more in the future.

Best Regards, Bill Drury, Newton, NH.

(Editor's comment: emails like this just warm up my old heart. Congratulations and good luck, Bill!)

Dear Editor Diannek: Many thanks for posting my story "The Neighbor."  I'm delighted.  I had my wife sit down and read it immediately. She was pleased, too. It's a wonderful souvenir of our life here on this street for the past thirty years. With best wishes -- Jared Carter

Cleaning up.
This image showed up in my email the other day -- how cute is this, I ask you?

Spring '05: Re Vinegar:

Valerie Hendricks adds her two cents...

33.  Clean stainless steel. Wipe with a vinegar dampened cloth.

# 33 does not work, but a gentle scrub with a paste made of baking soda and water works wonders--stainless steel gleams.

42.  Keep colors from running. Immerse clothes in full strength vinegar before washing.

 This one does work!


Re Hunza:

bert reports: I tried the hunza recipe #1 with millet flour, carrots, honey etc.
1. came out pretty flat.
2. very salty
3. almost unpalatable
4. reduces appetite
5. will not make it again so as far as weight reduction - haven't a clue.
on the other hand millet flour is an excellent addition to porridge. one tablespoon per bowl of oatmeal acts as a thickener and adds whatever millet has to offer nutritionally.

and we had another long email about Hunza Bread that we added to the end of article, since it appears that hundreds of people are still reading up on it. I guess the scam continues. We sure hope nobody is actually buying the recipe because copies of it are all over the place these days.

Re Lions: 

Michael Seaman wrote to ask us if we ever got the Venice Lion inscription translated correctly. (It read "PAX TIBI MARCE EVANGELISTA MEUS", or "Peace to you Mark my evangelist".) I told him yes and he verified it. Here's more from him:

Dear Diannek:

That's it. This was, along with the lion, inscribed all over the Venetian empire. There are various early traditions about St. Mark, one of which (Eusebius, HE 2.16.1 and 2.24.1) has him the first bishop of Alexandria, Egypt, where he supposedly died. He was also said by one very early Christian source, Papias, though this comes to us again from Eusebius, to have been the interpreter of Peter. A later tradition, argued for obvious reasons by the Venetians, says St. Peter sent him out from Rome to Regio X, the tenth Roman region, Venetia et Histria, with the major port town of Aquileia as its capital, to preach the gospel in the mid-first century (it is after Attila's sack of this city in 452, and other invasions that follow, that the inhabitants of some mainland towns fled to the nearby islands of the lagoon and founded what was later to be Venice). 

He was said to have had great success and to have brought back with him to Rome a holy man, one Hermarcoras, to have Peter make him the first bishop of Aquileia. This story is told in the stunningly beautiful Romanesque frescos still visible in the crypt of the fourth century Patriarchal Basilica of Aquileia. Anyway, on Mark's return to Rome, as he was passing the area around where Venice will later be founded, it was said that an angel appeared to him stating the words in your Latin inscription: Pax tibi Marce, evangelista meus. Hic requiescet corpus tuum (trans. "Peace to thee, oh Mark, my evangelist. Here your body will rest"), essentially prophesying that he will one day rest there (i.e. In Venice). 

The one fact that is clear is that in 828, a Venetian merchant ship arrived in Venice from Egypt with what were said to be the evangelist's bones (the story that circulated was that they stole them). They were interred in the doge's private chapel, which would later become St. Mark's Basilica on the famous square of that name. Venice would become a major pilgrimage destination.

By the way, Mark is traditionally represented by a lion on the basis of Revelation 4:6-10 (Matthew is a man, Luke a bull, and John an eagle). I believe there is also a reference to these four symbols in Ezekiel somewhere but I don't have the relevant notes in front of me.

Ciao (a word that derives from Venetian dialect for "your slave," but this is best left for another letter!),

Michael Seaman
Scuola Insieme Italian Language School
Grado, Italy

And if that wasn't enough information for one session, Kinne Stires emailed us a website of 
biblical lion information

Summer 04

Hello everyone:

The email-bag was rather interesting this past few months. 

1. We received a site award from a Canadian charter boat company. They are commending us for our suburb site, an honor we are grateful to accept. Take a look at our link page and you'll see it. How fun!

2. We heard from David MacDonald, a new contributor, who writes and photographs Siberia. We were astonished by the quality of his photos. Be sure and take a look at them. Siberia photos!

3. Re Salty by Jeff Gerstenfeld: when I responded to Jeff's email telling him we would be pleased to publish this rather bizarre story, he replied as follows:

Hi Dianne. Thanks for the good news.

Yeah, I guess I live in a twisted part of the planet. Israel is a country of extremes. No adjective can accurately describe anything over here without preceding it with the word "extremely". Everything's either the darkest black or the whitest white, with no shades of gray in between, whether you're talking about politics, religion, or even the weather. Summer's extremely hot, and winter's extremely cold. Autumn and Spring are identical. During these seasons, the weather fluctuates between extremely hot and extremely cold on an almost daily basis, making them extremely popular seasons for catching a cold. And I'm just getting over one now.

Living here is an emotional roller coaster. You're either extremely happy, extremely sad, extremely angry, or extremely exhausted. Never a dull moment. But it provides plenty of food for thought, and I find writing is a great catharsis. Ultimately, you have to be able to laugh at yourself and laugh at the situation just to survive from day to day. So I enjoy writing humorous things. Usually.

Anyway, thanks for publishing the story.

Best regards from the Wild, Wild, (Middle) East.

- Jeff Gerstenfeld

Note: This definitely sheds a little light on things...

4. FYI: Regarding our Film Archive, I've been wanting to purge some of this collection. So I decided to go through the old reviews and erase the ones for films that weren't all that great. Then I started reading them and found them to be sort of amusing, so I decided to keep them all. So instead of clearing up the clutter, I've rearranged it into two groups: the hits and the duds. I figure somebody might want to see a review of a mediocre film, especially these days when we're renting so many of them. 

5. Note to interested contributors: we've had to turn some of you down, and put others into a holding pattern. We'll try to publish the "on-holds" eventually, but we're trying to keep to a theme (sort of) so you'll have to be patient. If you've sent something to us and have not yet heard from us, feel free to fire off another email. Be sure to put the word "submission" into the subject line so your email will get past the spam filter.

6. Did you notice the Bunk File? We added it mid season.

March 04

Dear Readers: 

Thanks for all the email inquiries about moss removal. We are not experts here at Clevermag headquarters but we do try to answer any and all questions as helpfully as possible. Also, despite many requests, we have not heard from anybody who lost weight on any Hunza Bread diet. 

I'd like to direct your attention to the article on the stone lion that appears in this issue. Thanks to a Reader Response, we'll be adding it our our lion investigation series.

If you've got a comment on any of our articles or would like to add something to our archives, please contact us. Just fire off an email to the editor and we'll get back to you. Put the words, "reader responses" in the subject line for quick action.

Dec 03

Subject: Mid-Century Homily

From Tamara Peace: Hello! Thank you very much for publishing Mid-Century Homily by Yvonne Chism-Peace. I was in the Archives section when I found it, and I really enjoyed it. It was great to read a different kind of exploration of the parent-teen relationship. The mother-daughter interaction was sharp and on target, yet subtle and touching, too. Thanks again for the story.

More on the Hunza Bread Diet:

Re: Hunza breads typical & millet Thank you very much for the internet recipes for this bread. My wife and I are not too heavy, but getting older and find weight something that has to be watched when that metabolism slows. We were wondering if you got any feedback about these two particular recipes for Hunza bread as to taste, etc. Thank you kindly and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! Allen & Peg Lucas

Editor's Note: No we have not had any responses from people who have had success following the Hunza Bread Diet. If you've got some feedback, we'd love to hear from you.

More on Hunza Bread: I spotted postings of yours on the web about "Hunza Bread". This recipe, whether or not you obtained it by such means, is usually promoted by spam-mail as the longevity secret of the people of the Hunza region in the Pakistani mountains. There may be citation of a 1973 National Geographic article that was later retracted by its author after the Vilcabamba claims in it were debunked.

As the maintainer of a worldwide list of persons authenticated by documentation as having reached the age of 110 or more, I can assure you that no one from Hunza has ever had a claim validated by standards sufficient to get on the list.

I have an international network of correspondents who study the frontiers of human longevity, and if any Hunza longevity claims were validated, we would know about it. And I have tried to respond to "Hunza Diet Bread" purveyors and generally found their addresses to be bogus.

Do keep track of it with open eyes...Hunza IS a real place, and the association of the bread with Hungary is a new one on me. Louis Epstein

And even more on Hunza Bread:

I recently found your site while researching 'HUNZA BREAD' recipes, actually, better eating recipes, hunza being included as a part of it in general. With regard to your article on the Hunza Bread Recipe SPAM scam, I thought you might be interested in spam the recipe. Here it is:

THE Hunza Bread Recipe

3/4 cup of unbleached all purpose white flour.
1 teaspoon baking powder.
1 cup pitted whole dates, chopped.
1 cup pecans, chopped.
3 eggs, well beaten.
1/4 cup water

Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Place flour in a bowl, add the baking powder to the flour and mix with a whisk. Add the water to the eggs and thoroughly whisk the egg and the water mix, at least 2 minutes. Add the flour and baking powder mixture into the beaten egg and water mixture and stir thoroughly. Add the chopped dates and chopped pecans to the flour, baking powder, egg and water mixture and thoroughly stir all of the ingredients together.

Pour the mixed ingredients into a lightly greased loaf pan. When the oven reaches 350 degrees F, place the pan in the oven and bake for 35 minutes. Remove the pan from the oven.

According to Recipe for 16 servings:

Total Calories 122, Calories from fat 54, Total Fat 6.1g, Saturated Fat .7g, Cholesterol 40 mg, Sodium 12 mg, Total Carbs 14.3g, Dietary Fiber 1.6g, Protein 2.6g

From this I reached two conclusions - 1, in order to keep calories down, servings would have to be small, offering little total nutrition for a balanced diet. Increase the servings for more balance, calories kill you. And 2, with out trying this, it looks boring and tasteless, unless maybe you spread on some butter and jelly, which would kill the purpose. For the What-it-is-worth column. Regards; John Carter

Editor's note: John, we came to exactly the same conclusions that you did, but thanks for the recipe.

Re: Hiking the Camelbacks: From PLHamstra: Please tell the writer that it was easy to climb the Camelbacks I had no trouble what-so-ever climbing, and also there was no edge, there was fence on the only steep parts. So it was kind of hard to fall, and on those "70 degree angles" had a pole that you could easily grab if you started to fall. 

Editor's note: Well, I guess you've told her. Doesn't sound like you took the same hike.

More on the Stone Lions:

From Lin Ming Yuan: Hi, I'm from Singapore. I think you might be interested to know that Chinese have also been using stone lions for centuries now. They are usually placed at the entrance, facing out. They are said to bring luck to the family and drive away the evil spirits from the home over which they guard.

You might find this useful…

Subject: library lions
Just blundered across your site accidentally and thought I'd share a thought with you. Many years ago a librarian told me that the two lions you often see in front of a library represent ignorance and fear...and that each time you entered a library you challenge both ignorance and fear and departed the library in triumph over both of these "monsters". I have never forgotten that explanation.
Thanks for listening, Jim Larrison

Subject: Wounded Lion of Switzerland

The "Swiss Lion" you referred to a long time ago in answer to a question by one of your readers, was in error. It is not a "sleeping" or "snoozing," lion as one could tell from the sad eyes of the beast. It represents the sadness because of the death of members of the Swiss Guard as noted. And yes, it was done by Thorvaldsen who has done other famous art pieces, notably four medallions in Hearst Castle, California of Carrara marble and Christ in the Garden at the Mormon Temple in Utah. In searching for information about the "lion" I came across your explanation on the net. Incidentally the lion is in Lucerne at the site of the Lucerne museum.

Wilmar N. Tognazzin

(FYI: Wilmar included the following information:) "The "Lion of Lucerne", famous masterpiece of the early 19th century, is dedicated to the memory of the heroic fight and final defeat of the Swiss Guards 1792 in Paris. August 10th of that year marks the beginning of the bloody days of the French revolution with the storm on the royal palace, the Tuileries. The Swiss regiment of the Guards had to lay down its arms by order of the king Louis XVI and as a result was literally torn to pieces by the murderous mob.

The lion, always considered a symbol of courage and strength, served the artist to demonstrate a tragic event, a fight to the death. The heart pierced by a lance, the lion still holds its protecting paw over the shield with the lily coat of arms, emblem of the Bourbon kings.

The erection of the monument was made possible by donations of comrades from other regiments and friends especially by the initiative of Ch. Pfyffer of Altishofen. Also it was his idea to use as a symbol the dying lion. The model is the work of the famous Danish sculptor Bertel Thorwaldsen (1770-1844) and was hewn into the rock 1820/21 by L. Ahorn (1789-1856). The original model (in stucco) is on exhibition in the Glacier Garden. The niche in the rock wall measures about 43', the animal alone 30'. The Latin inscription carved into the rock above the monument reads: "To the fidelity and bravery of the Swiss", below follow the names of the 26 officers, who fell defending the Tuileries.  

Fall 2003

We continue to receive the most responses from our Hunza Bread Scam piece. Here are some of the more interesting emails that we got over the past three months:

Judy R. reported: People will jump at too-good-to-be-true diets, and others will use this. The Hunza people made this bread (it wasn't a diet Diet bread). The bread was in their diet, there's a difference.

Mike says: I tried both recipes, They are OK. I also am on Atkins diet. Using both I did lose 15Lbs in one month so far. How are others doing? 

(To Mike: See Janet's comments below. Congratulations to you. But the big question is: was it Atkins or Hunza that did the trick for you?)

Anne says: $7 for the recipe was updated in my email to $40 Australian.  Thanks for the advice.  I'll get walking. 

From Janet: My husband and I have tried this bread using both the white and whole wheat flour. We love it. I use regular raisins instead of the golden ones. I eat 1 slice for breakfast, eat whatever I want for lunch as eat 1 or 2 slices for my evening meal. In 3 weeks I have lost 8 pounds. We make about 4-6 loaves a week. To us it is very tasty. We put just a little butter on it. Other people that have tasted it also liked it.

From Pam: I stumbled on your references to Hunza Bread and thought I'd share my experience. I found a recipe for it, but the site was hawking it more as a snack for the growling hungries than as a miracle weight-loss plan. The recipe they had was different from the ones you have on your site:
2 pounds buckwheat flour (I had to order it in from King Arthur Flour)
2 cups water
3/4 cup canola oil
3/4 cup unrefined natural sugar (couldn't find that around here so I used dark brown sugar)
1 cup honey
1 cup molasses
1/4 cup powdered soya milk (I used plain powdered milk)
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1 teaspoon baking powder
I added raisins on my own.
Mix it up. I poured it onto two shallow cookie sheets, greased and floured. You have to spread it out as it doesn't spread by itself. You bake it at 300 degrees for one hour and keep it in the oven on low for two hours more to dry it out. Cut into squares. I found it tastes like gingerbread but the drying-out process makes it as hard as a rock around the edges. (I've made it once and will probably make it again but I'll tinker with the recipe a little just to see what happens. I sort of like it and it does make a better snack for up at work than the junk food out of the vending machines.)

If you've got a comment for our Reader Responses, fire off an email to editor@clevermag.com Wanna read the archive of earlier Reader Responses? Really? Click here 

Hi, I am from Scotland. Trying to find out what causes Moss on a patio. I have just had new conservatory built with patio. After 3 Months the patio is covered in moss and the walls also. Is this normal or what is causing it. Syd

Editor's note: Apparently Yahoo thinks Clever Magazine is a moss removal expert. We're listed 5th on the moss removal referrals. Who knew!

Dear Syd: If it rains a lot or is continually misty and your patio doesn't get much sunlight, expect moss. Unfortunately that's just the way it goes. If the patio cement or brick or whatever doesn't get a chance to dry off and get some sun, you'll be fighting moss continually. Thanks for thinking of Clever Magazine, Diannek

Hi Dianne, I just love, love, love the California postcard travel section of Clever this month. What gorgeous cards! And what an education about San Jose's long-ago downtown scene. I can't wait for next month to continue the postcard Odyssey. Cheryl Levinson

Hi Cheryl: Glad you're enjoying the postcards. We're having fun sorting through them and choosing just the right ones for the upcoming issues. November features Oregon and Washington. We're hoping to cover the whole US -- eventually. Stay Tuned!

Hallo: On reading the information regarding the Lion of Lucerne, I have a small bronze/metal ornament of this lion. He would appear to have a lance or suchlike sticking out of his back, indicating that he had been killed by this. Is there not a story regarding this lion being killed either in
defense of something or attacking something, or is he purely symbolic of the Swiss guard? Regards, Barbara

Dear Barbara: We're not sure but we're guessing that the lance represents the Swiss Guard and the part they played in the French Revolution. Thanks for writing! Dianne

Hello there: I found the article on Child-Free very inspiring due to the fact that I too have many of the same issues she had. I am 37 today and still facing the "judge and jury" for my "sin" of not wanting children. I identify myself with her specially in the part where she knew at an early age that this is the way she would feel for the rest of her life.

I would like if possible to correspond with her about this matter. I just would like to find someone to talk to, or someone that could give me "resources" to better cope with my decision of being "childfree". I just do not find any material out there that it is geared towards helping people like me deal with society. Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to provide.

Editor's note: The Child Free article is continuing to strike a cord with many readers. If anybody knows of any resources on this subject, please let us know and we'll post them.

Re Hunza Bread: 

Hi: I was curious, so went looking and found you. Always nice to see someone taking the time to expose these scum scammers. Sure lots of them around these days.  Thanks, Steve        

Hello: Tried the Hungarian style & it is delicious.  Feel guilty eating it !  Will see if any weight is lost!  It does seem somewhat satisfying, only my first day so will have to wait if it continues.  Thanks, alexis

Editor's Note: We're wondering if Alexis bought the recipe or just found a free copy off the internet. We're also wondering if Alexis drops a few pounds. Fingers crossed.

Hi Mr. Editor
Regarding the Hunza Bread article, not only have we tried them, We eat them (Hunza Cubes) regularly. We bought the recipe from Switzerland. We sent 20 dollars cash overseas and received the recipe, and adjusted it a bit. We own a bakery here in Fort Lauderedale. 3 of our employees ate it and lost weight.

go figure
Norma Dauer, German Bread Haus

Norma, Norma, Norma...you should have searched the internet first. Then you would have found the recipe and saved yourself twenty bucks. But I'm happy to hear your employees are a little leaner. And thanks for checking in. 
PS, Norma, it's Diannek, Ms. Editor. 

Hi Dianne, Just wanted to thank you again for the Whimsy Street mention in the bookstore page, and your support ...

I enjoyed your travel essay on your recent trip to NY. I took my whole
family to visit there last year--about one month before 9/11. We had a
great time, including bopping around lower Manhattan, and never imagined how fortuitous our timing was.

BTW, one of the things I like best about Clever Magazine is the travel
pieces. It's fun to see all the photos and other people's impressions when
wanderlust takes them far from home.

Best regards, Hal Reichardt

Hi Hal: We're wishing you lots of luck with Whimsy Street. Thanks for the comments about Clever. Armchair travel is one of the things we do best! Diannek, editor

Dear Dianne:...this month's submission by Jim Willis ("How Could You") was extraordinary. I couldn't even read it at work, I just started crying. That ought to be required reading for anyone considering adopting an animal. Elaine

We received lots of responses like this one to the Willis article on orphaned animals. We hope it will send a message to all pet owners to think ahead about their four-footed loved ones. 

On the other side of the issue, I received an angry email from an 82 year-old who took offense, said he was tired of reading about pets, and wanted to be deleted from the mailing list! So there! We obliged his request.

Dear Editor: I received the "Spam" Hunza Bread pitch this morning in my email and had the good sense to not pay the $7.00 and look it up on the internet. There I found your site. Thank you for posting both recipes and 
explaining what you thought of this Himalayan diet secret. I don't think it sounds very tasty either and think I will pass on baking it. Thanks again !! 

Note from the Editor: We've noticed a lot of continuing interest in the Hunza Bread article. Apparently lots of internet users are still receiving spam about this scam. See our current article on email warnings. They are out to get us one way or the other.

With sadness we heard the following:

Hi Dianne,
I received this quite a while ago and have been meaning to pass it on to you. I do believe you published some of Pat Farley's stories in the past. Perhaps you may want to mention her death or republish something of hers in a 
future Clever. Maxine Averbuck

I am Pat's daughter-in-law, my name is Patricia also. I hate to have to be the one to tell you but Pat passed away in January. My husband Michael 
had picked up her mail and there was a post card from you to her so I went on her computer and looked in her address book and found the only Maxine there and I knew it had to be you. I am so sorry to have to let you 
know this way but I thought that you must know that she has passed...
Sincerely, Tricia Farley"

Editor's Note: Thanks, Maxine! We send our sincere condolences to Tricia Farley. Pat Farley was a frequent contributor to Clever Magazine and she will be missed. FYI Pat wrote this piece about one of her hospital stays: The Nightingale Sings!

From: Eric Shackle 
Re: Squirrel Babies
(from Clever's June 2002 issue)

I recall seeing both grey and brown squirrels when I was a small boy in England (we migrated down under when I was 10). In Sydney, we used to feed possums, which played at night on our veranda (porch). Once they found their way into the roof, and we couldn't sleep at night for the noise they made, bumping on the ceiling and squabbling with one another. They can be a real nuisance. In New Zealand, they have proliferated, and are regarded as a pest, to be exterminated.

Editor's Note: We're sorry to hear that they are exterminating squirrels in New Zealand, while we here in California are busy try to nurse them back to health and turn them loose in various neighborhoods. Go figure...

To Editor, Clever Magazine (to the June 2002 issue):

Greetings from Sydney, Australia. Today I found your interesting website for the first time, and greatly enjoyed reading some of its many pages. Great stuff! Take a look at my free e-book, Life Begins at 80 on the Internet. Perhaps you would like to reprint some of the stories.

Best wishes, Eric

Eric Shackle is a retired Australian journalist whose hobby is searching the Internet and writing about it. His work has been published by the New York Times (U.S.), Globe and Mail (Canada), Sydney Morning Herald (Australia) and Straits Times (Singapore). He is copy editor of Anu Garg's Ohio-based A Word A Day free newsletter, which is e-mailed five days a week to more than half a million word lovers in 210 countries. See also
Unshackled Computer  and E-Book Helps Seniors  

Editor’s Note: I did check out Eric’s website. It’s amazing. Definitely worth a look, so take a look when you get a minute.

Hi, Dianne!

I loved the June (2002) essay about being ChildFree. I respect the author's decision to remain personally free and easy. As for me, I chose to be ChildFree for environmental reasons as well. Many of Earth's problems are caused by too many of us! One American child alone consumes a multitude of resources: water, gasoline, produce, plastics, land, and so forth.  I, too, am looked at askance when I tell people my husband and I chose not to bear children. In spite of others' judgments, I believe I've contributed more to the world by not having children. We have chosen to provide a haven for animals instead. Someone's gotta nurture and raise some of the stray, abused and abandoned dogs out there!

Cheryl Levinson

Editor’s Note: Cheryl is a Clever Contributor who has written a number of thoughtful articles for us. You can find her work in the Clever Archives

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